Top 10 producers on the mic

Science dropped by Martini & Jopparelli. Jan-24-2007

 

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1 Large Professor – a master of production (he even taught premier how to use the sp1200, that he learned from paul c…the most unknown producer, but probably the most influential) and a really good mc (the lyrics on main source are classic and his guest spots are as well ”queens represent , buy the album when I drop it…” but we waited too long!)

LISTEN TO JUST A FRIENDLY GAME OF BASEBALL

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2 Q-tip – endless classic from the abstract and tribe (even if he had some help from ali on production….but check the first crooklyn dodgers for some solo production and the drink away the pain tune he did for mob deep first lp….is that enough?)

LISTEN TO DRINK AWAY THE PAIN

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3 Pete Rock – the soul brother is one of the finest producer (coming from the Marley marl school of production is not a surprise…) and on the mic is not bad as well (even if on the mecca and the soul brother lp grand puba was writing most of his lyrics)

LISTEN TO SOUL BROTHER # 1

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4 Diamond D – you can’t front on the big man from the bx, a true crate digger and has some nice skills on the mic (his first lp is a slept on classic)

LISTEN TO SALLY GOT A ONE TRACK MIND

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5 Rza – the first round of wu albums are classic and rza lyrics were on point…not sure about latest material (favourite line” Feelin mad hostile, ran the apostle/Flowin like Christ when I speaks the gospel”)

LISTEN TO TRAGEDY

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6 The Beatnuts: I just like the beatnuts approach to music (especially the first ep and the first lp): great obscure jazz sample (the way they flipped roy ayers “painted desert” is just great) and no- nonsense lyrics.
LISTEN TO “STORY”

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6 Erick Sermon – classic material from the green eye bandit: the epmd stuff before the break up was just brilliant (apparently biz markie supplied most of the records that was sampled for the epmd first album) and is first solo album was constantly in my tape deck

LISTEN TO “STAY REAL”

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7 Madlib – even if it’s not part of the golden age, madlib still offer quality beats and good lyrics (not always up to par with his beats…but still manage to do some damage on the mic)

LISTEN TO “THE JAM”

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8 MF Doom – much better mc than madlib, not bad with his production.

LISTEN TO “OLD SCHOOL”

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9 E-swift – really nice beats on the liks albums and nice lyrics as well, only fault he haven’t done so much production outside the liks camp (nice work for heltah skeltah, anyway)

LISTEN TO “BULLSHIT”

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10 Dr.Dre – last spot for Dre, since he’s an amazing producer, but never wrote his lyrics (which is quite sad!).

LISTEN TO “GAME OVER”

 










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  1. Marty says:

    Yeah, Prea is back!!
    I ll add some pics if u don’t mind and few tracks to give an example of what u are talking about. Peace.

  2. djmap45 says:

    no problem

  3. Marty says:

    Tell me a couple of tracks which u think are representative and i ll add it

  4. djmp45 says:

    main source friedly game of baseball
    mobb deep drink away the pain
    pete rock soul brother n1
    diamond sally got a one track mind

    i think it’s enough.
    thanks for the collabo!
    anyway what you think about the topic?

  5. Marty says:

    Great topic indeed. And as usual you drop some great knowledge.
    I more or less agree with u. Maybe q tip first……..
    It s always difficult state this kind of ranking, but it’s funny.
    Do not worry for the collaboration, today i do not work so i got time.
    Lucky me.

  6. ozzino says:

    great post Prea!
    and Marty as post coordinator is always essential…we know it’s a fact!

  7. joppa says:

    Big up to djmp, great post and great topic!!!

    I’d take out of the list MF DOOM, MADLIB and the BEATNUTS.

    i’d put in HAVOC from mobb deep, MANNIE FRESH from cash money records and UNKLE LUKE (you know how much i feel miami bass!!)

    Havoc is a genius on production and a good lyricist…(but unfortunately he is wack live on stage, as we know by experience…..)

    Mannie fresh is a 808-drum machine god…he definitely knows how to put beats and bass lines together! ….and he is at least funny when he raps, if you don’t take him too serious!!!

    “It’s the nigga with tha Lex bubble
    Candy coated helicopter with tha leather cover
    If ya suckin’ not fuckin’ take off the rubber
    Then toss that bitch nigga cause I don’t love her ”

    Unkle Luke is my favourite miami rapper and producer….i’ll post about him sooner or later…..another 808-drums superstar

  8. joppa says:

    ADDED “STAY REAL” by eric sermon

    …i love that tune….with that zapp sample!!!!

  9. Antonio says:

    I would add a few “new school” cats: first of all Eminem, amazing rapper and sometimes decent producer, then El-P from Company Flow, excellent at both rapping and producing, J Dilla (decent rapper and the best producer ever), Chops (very good and underrated). You also forgot probably the best two rapper-producers of them all: Lord Finesse, the god, and most of all Mr. Reggie Noble, aka Funk Doctor aka Redman, amazing on both the boards and the mic…

  10. djmp45 says:

    antonio, you’re right, finesse should be in there…redman, i dont know because i was really feeling the dare is a darkside lp and the first artifacts (both classic), where he produced couple of things, but as an artist now i think he got wack(when i saw him in the cristina aguilera video i was”it seems he have to pay the rent…”)

  11. Marty says:

    I agree with Antonio on J Dillla. I would put him instead of MF Doom. But no way with Eminem. He really sucks.
    Than let’s say Lord Finesse instead of The Beatnuts.
    Joppa, no way i would take out of the list Madlib. It deserve at least the 7th position. You should go deep in his works.
    By the way, we all want from Joppa the top ten 808 drum machine producer list.

  12. djmp45 says:

    i knew this topic will sparkle some discussion, which i think is good…what’s going to be the next one: top ten party anthem?
    marty think about that!

  13. Marty says:

    It sounds good. Just do your thing!
    We trust you.

  14. Antonio says:

    Well, as for Eminem, if Dre deserves a 9 as a producer and 1 as a rapper, Eminem deserves a 2 as a producer, but a 9 as a rappers.
    Therefore, his marks are higher… ahah
    Redman never got wack! He is still one of the best.
    Eric Sermon got wack, not Reggie!

    Oh, and I remember another excellent underground cat that splits his duties both as a rapper and a producer: Bronze Nazareth, a very accomplished rapper and producer.

    And what about one of the best that ever did it, mr. Agallah?
    Decent rapper and fantastic producer…

    And I still mantain that El-P should probably be at the number one position, as he is one of the best both behind the boards and on the mic. Much better than E-Swift…

  15. ilmago says:

    Why the f…k we all write in English since we all are Italians? :)

    Cool top ten Prea… de gustibus…
    Top are like …

    Just some personal opinions…

    -In my opinion Pete Rock, MF Doom and E-Swift are definitely boring as mcs
    -Eminem is definitely wack as a producer, his productions are boring and paranoid…
    -I don’t know if the topic is just for 90′s artist, but my all time Rapper/producer is no doubt Kanye West, the only one who can really build an instrumental 100% by hisself, and write 100% of his lyrics, pass from pop to underground, write conscius lyrics and sell millions, and his 2 albums are classics.
    No other ever reached this level!

  16. ilmago says:

    ehm sorry for the grammatical errors… drank too much Mirto.

  17. Antonio says:

    MF Doom is not boring at all. He is one of the best rappers out there.
    You are right about Pete Rock and Eminem, they are wack.
    But so are Dre and Eric Sermon, as far as their lyrical abilities…
    Ask Rhymefest if Kanye West writes his own lyrics (he doesn’t).
    Finesse and Diamond D from the old school and El-P, Agallah and Bronze Nazareth from the new school. They are the men!

  18. djmp45 says:

    it’s mainly 90′s obviously…erick sermon wack…ever listen to any epmd? i just quote phife from atcq”The worst thing in the world is a sucka MC/Favorite rap group in the world is EPMD”…in the 90′s for sure, after i dont want to know!

  19. Antonio says:

    EPMD are one of my favourite groups ever.
    I bought Strictly Business in 1988 and it’s still in rotation on my iPod.
    Eric Sermon is a good producer (excellent in the 90′s, still decent today), but he can’t rap. We all know the real rapper of the duo was Parrish Smith.
    Who is still much better than Eric. Did you hear the Awakening?

  20. joppa says:

    we write in english because

    1- it’s the language of the internet

    2- we want japanese b-boys to partecipate in the conversation, so we can get in touch and finally promote djmp45 to play in japan, blow up and become a superstar dj (of course me and marty will be his agents during his tour in the far east, doing public relations while he plays)

  21. joppa says:

    erick sermon is not dope? maybe we’re not talkin about the same man? i’m talking about the “stay real” tune: if this tune is not dope, then what is dope?

    Dopeness in rap music is not about writing complicated lyrics or using unusual words or who spits more rhymes into 16 bars.

    even a simple and plain lyric can be dope, even without rhymes in it.

    it is most like in basketball: you don’t have to make over-complicated moves to be a good player. You just have to do the right move in the right moment. Which team is best: the harlem globetrotters or the team who wins the nba finals? The same thing applies to rap music. Who is more dope: canibus or prodigy?

  22. Antonio says:

    Dopeness chapter: let’s talk about Hit Squad-Def Squad rappers, ok?
    Parrish Smith is doper than Eric Sermon. Fact.
    Redman is doper than Eric Sermon. Fact.
    Keith Murray is doper than Eric Sermon. Fact.
    That’s real. Those guys outstage E-Double all the time.
    The only people E-Dub outshined are Daytona and Khari Santiago!
    Ever heard of them? No? There must be a reason… ahah

    Joppa: your remarks are right. Large Pro, who doesn’t shine for his complicated lyrics, is much doper than Eric Sermon.
    But the truth is: EPMD are dope (and always will be), but Eric is just good as part of a team with skilled rappers.
    Take the Def Squad album: although not perfect, some cuts were incredible. But you had Redman and Keith rapping on them…

    Oh, wait, I remembered another guy who spits/produces: the almighty Pharaoahe Monch. Who is a great lyricist, but also a decent producers (Simon Says). And he is a kind of “old school” guy.
    That’s a dope rapper…

    As for Prodigy and Canibus: right now they are both failures.
    If you talk best Canibus vs best Prodigy, I would go with Prodigy.
    But a lot has to do with the beats. The Infamous was a masterpiece, sonically…

    Anyway, since you asked, who is doper? Eric or Parrish?
    You know my answer…

  23. theblast says:

    How in the world did Kanye and Hi-Tek get left off of the list???

    Great site, BTW…

  24. theblast says:

    Oh yeah…say what you want about Kanye…but anyone who has ever heard the Kanye vs. Common freestyle battle knows that Kanye ate Common up. Easily.

  25. ilmago says:

    -In my opinion E.Sermon is doper than P. Smith, he is more original and witty. I also seen them live, and P Smith could barely close a bar without gaspin for air, plus his flow is monotone and boring. But that is just my taste!

    -As far as other producer/mc’s, I think this top ten make sense if we consider only guys who have reached a great level both in producing and mc-ing.
    So for example, I think is useless to put in Nas (he produced something recently) or Swizz Beats (he dropped some verses in the past).
    That’s the reason why Havoc definitely must be in, and other must not!

    -As far as Kanye’s lyrics are concerned, I heard about Rhymefest’s help. But everyone gets some help from other artists when is time to drop a major release. I bet that also Common helped him a lot, even if that’s not a known fact.
    Did you know than some of Nas’s Illmatic lyrics were by Cormega and AZ?
    Did you know that Some of Jay’s Reasonable Doubt lyrics were by Souce Money?
    I think is important that an MC has got his own style and his own contents, and brings something original to the game. And Kanye definitely did.
    Unfortunately other producers sound funny as their lyrics are easyly ghostwritten.
    For example Dre sounds funny rapping like Snoop and Jay in Chronic 2001, even more funny was Puffy rapping like Ma$e and Black Rob in his first lp.

  26. Cnspeace says:

    Pretty good but you are crazy for not having Havoc in the top 5 if not top 3

  27. djmp45 says:

    mago: do you really think that cormega wrote some stuff on illmatic?he was in jail at that time…it’s quite impossible!
    erick sermon was more the mc of epmd, while pmd was more the producer, but when they split up erick stay in atlanta for like two years to refine is skills on the board and came out with his first solo, which is a classic: pmd has just made very boring music to me after they split.
    havoc not in the first ten:i’m just upset with the al mobb deep going with g-unit, they just sell out: i saw the video yesterday with nate dogg…what happened to the “l.a. , l.a.” days? (and the infamous is one of my favourite album).

  28. Antonio says:

    Cormega ghostwriting for Nas is a fabrication.
    As it is Sauce Money ghostwriting for Jay.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, obviously, but Eris Sermon remains (lyrically) the weak link in the Hit/Def Squad. He can’t rap for shit.
    PMD, on the other hand, is very good.
    And as for PMD making boring music, Business is Business and The Awakening are much better than ANY of Eric Sermon’s albums. Even if Eric has the money and the production…
    Havoc could have been in the top 10, but so could have Pharaoahe Monch and a lot of other cats. Nice discussion.
    It is a known fact that Kanye uses ghostwriters, but also ghostproducers, did you know?
    He is good, anyway. But not top 10.
    Or should we put Denaun Porter from D12 in as well? ahah

  29. ilmago says:

    Kanye getting help for producing? ahah no way!
    I know Cormega was in jail, maybe this is the reason why he did’nt spit those lyrics, and Nas did…

  30. djmp45 says:

    kanye copied the spped up soul vocal tecnique used by rza( like in tearz)

  31. Antonio says:

    I know Cormega was in jail, maybe this is the reason why he did’nt spit those lyrics, and Nas did…
    Yeah, right… And Nas became wack after stealing those lyrics from Cormega, who was realeased from jail and soon became a superstar…
    C’mon!
    Cormega accused Nas of being fake, not of stealing his lyrics.
    By the way, they made up and Cormega appeared on stage with Nas, recently.
    And while Kanye West is good (not as good as Just Blaze, anyway), it’s known that he uses ghost producers. Case in point, both Jesus Walks and Diamonds from Sierra Leone.
    As for the sped-up sample, I agree. RZA and 4th Disciple invented the technique, mostly to have more sampling time on their old samplers. RZA explains it in his Wu-Tang Manual.

  32. ilmago says:

    I have never said that Nas stealed lyrics!
    They were friends back then, no stealing necessary.
    I read that fact on an old The Source. The verses from Illmatic were also shown, But I can’t remember those right now.
    Precisely the article was centered on one of Nas’s Brave Hearts teammates (wack crew!) who had one verse tatooed on his back, thinking that was by Nas, not knowing that Cormega was the author: I remember that verse, a great one from a great song, It Was Written’s “Affirmative action”:
    “Life’s a bitch but that bitch divorced me- I be flooded with ice so hell fire can’t scorch me”
    At the time Mega and Nas were still in beef, and the article was of course very ironic, that’s the reason why I remember it.
    So sorry Antonio, but you are wrong.

    And talking about Kanye, MP is right, but I never said that he invented that style of sampling!
    West has admitted getting the idea from RZA, but at a time when sampling had fallen out of fashion in hip-hop, it was still unusual enough to impress.
    And this is only a very little percentage of his productions, although I agree that style gave him a lot of commercial success, but I think he’s not the one to blame, radios and majors pushed him to use and abuse that style!
    As far as ghostproduction is concerned, I repeat myself: All artists get help for major releases, do you think a Major let you work on your anticipated platinum album without putting hands on that?
    that is an old story in music…
    If, Antonio, you mean that Kanye buy beats from other producers instead, you are once again totally wrong.
    Maybe you are confused: Kanye DID (DID, not RECEIVED!) ghostproductions! that’s the way he got in the game, he says that also in his first album outro. And very big ones… I just name Jermaine Dupri, D-Dot (Kanye put hands on many Bad Boy golden age’s hits!) and Dr Dre (for example Kanye did the drums for Explosive and Still Dre, the hottest tracks form Chronics 2001).
    Oh and talking about Rhymefest’s help, they co-wrote the song Jesus Walks (rhymefest is also mentioned in the song’s authors) so there is no ghostwriting.
    So for the third time you are wrong.

    What I think is that ghostwriting has been an integral part of hip hop pretty much since The Sugar Hill Gang stole a bunch of rhymes that had been floating around the underground circuit, stole the beat from “Good Times” and created rap’s first hit, so is really useless to talk about that.

    No disrespect, just defending a great artist, I’ll prove that with future mixes if Marty and Joppa don’t think Kanye is not enough 90′s for this blog…

  33. ilmago says:

    Oh Prea you are right, when I heard Mobb signing with G Unit it was like someone just said me an old friend has turned gay.

  34. Antonio says:

    Hi,

    I don’t really want to go on and on about the same things, but I am not wrong… in fact, I am right in all the three cases.

    1) Cormega said a lot of things. Talk is cheap, you also should prove what you say. And Cormega cannot prove he wrote that verse.
    Besides, Nas has got so many dope verses that he cannot be doubted.

    2) Kanye’s bitch move was to buy the WHOLE song Jesus Walks (beat included) from Rhymefest, and then pretend it was co-written. Kanye did credit ‘Fest, but it would be like I buy a beat from Alchemist and then I heve it “co-produced” on my album…
    There are many interviews with Rhymefest about this. And yes, Common gave Kanye a hand (Diamonds from Sierra Leone is ghostwritten).

    3) Kanye re-sold beats from a guy called Cap.One to Jay-Z.

    4) In 2001, the ghostwriters and ghost-producers that Dre uses are credited in the liner notes. Like Jay-Z, Scott Storch, Royce and so on. Kanye West does not appear there at all. Where did you hear this crazy rumor?
    Again, not to take anything from Kanye. He is a good producer, he did a lot of ghost producing (that is also a fact) but his ego got in the way and Kanye got sloppy…

  35. djmp45 says:

    antonio, mago: you should have your own site entitled “ghosproducers and ghostwriter: the truth never told before!”
    anyway 34 post on this blog is a record..unfortunately from the same old people…

  36. joppa says:

    Non è facile diventare musicista professionista. Uno su mille ci riesce. Sfondare richiede talento, lavoro e sacrificio.

    Ecco perchè (da sempre) in tutti i generi musicali si sente parlare di un musicista professionista che ha rubato un’idea da uno sconosciuto.

    Che le voci siano vere o meno non importa in fondo. Perchè il grosso musicista ha comunque dalla sua parte mille bei pezzi fatti da se, altrimenti non sarebbe diventato professionista. Ha già dimostrato quello che doveva dimostrare.

    E’ verosimile che un grosso produttore rubi anche un pezzo intero da un piccolo, ma cio’ non sminuisce il valore del grosso, perchè di piccoli produttori che fanno un solo bel pezzo in tutta la vita il mondo è pieno. Ma è solo colpa loro se non hanno sfondato.

    Probablimente anche i Rolling Stones andavano in un piccolo club, sentivano un gruppo sconosciuto e magari gli rubavano un giro di chitarra. Ma chi se ne frega? Vorremmo dire per questo che non sono dei buoni musicisti? E che magari il piccolo gruppo sconosciuto merita il loro successo? No di Certo.

    Quindi tentare di sminuire un artista professionista perchè ha rubato un pezzo non ha senso. Al massimo possiamo dire “a me lui non piace”, oppure “io preferisco quest’altro”.

    La musica tra l’atro va avanti proprio perchè gli artisti si influenzano a vicenda, e spesso le influenze piu’ significative vengono dagli sconosciuti. Questo vale per tutti i generi. E allora?

  37. djmp45 says:

    marley marl used to knick k-def stuff…but it’s still marley marl, you just cant front on him!it’s called paying dues
    joppa said the truth…i completely agree.
    i’m still waiting for your top ten party rockers!

  38. Marty says:

    This discussion went crazy.

    By the way, nobody left any comment or props on my Stax post and I am very disappointed of that as this concert is outstanding and very rare. You here are verbally fighting on almost nothing. Talking of speed-up soul samples and than disregarding my post. I am sure Premier and Kanye would better spend their time watching the concert rather than debate on Cornega or Rhymefest. Who is Cormega than? Who is rhymefest? In 100 years people will keep on listening to Otis Redding but I am not that sure they will listen to them. The people in this concert got more artistically talent than all the producers mentioned above together. And I am sure if you ask to this producers they are ready to admit that. That is why they sample soul.

  39. djmp45 says:

    hey marty,
    i’m really sorry for not leaving any comments on the stax post, but i cant download stuff so there was no point.i usually leave a comment if it’s like a soul record i have or i know..if not it’s quite difficult to comment.
    i quite agree with you( i love otis reding..i bought quite few 7″ from him and i think is version of tramp is one of the best, apart from the Lowell Fulsom one) with the all things you said..soul and funk music will always be there..but i think that classic hip hop will be there as well..nobody will remember the last g unit member..but true music connoisseur will remember any tribe , de la soul , etc…that’s why i stopped buying hip hop music that come out after 1998!
    the problem with this top 10 thing is that everybody has their own opinion…even if i wrote the top 10 wackest rappers of all time..this will sparkle lots of discussion..the sad point is: we get lots of comments by the same people( as you said people come buy, download things and dont bother to leave any comments).
    i’ll post a top ten drum breaks soon(joppa i’ll need your help with this one..i’ll let you know ) and i want to see if the discussion will be the same: i reckon not!
    anyway big up for pushing soul and funk music!

  40. Marty says:

    If u are talking about de la soul, tribe and all the good stuff we grew up togheter with, i agree. There will be a space for them in the future.

    But c’mon, cormega, kanye, parrish smith solo joints…. When i was a kid i was almost on every hip hop artist. But now i consider hip hop as any other kind of music. There is a lot of bad music around, even from the ’90.

    I feel sorry you can not download the concert as is great. Next time you stop by in Italy ask Joppa. I will post in the furure the wattstax movie, a classic shit.

  41. Antonio says:

    Hey,

    I like the discussion.

    In italiano: ragazzi, qui non era questione di rubare o non rubare.
    In un mondo post-modernista, il plagiarismo e’ normale, a tutti i livelli.
    Si dibatteva invece sulla top ten: per me, uno con un catalogo sterminato come Marley Marl (esempio sul furto, ovviamente, visto che non ha mai rappato) non puo’ essere accusato di avere rubato. Nel senso, che se anche ha preso da K-Def (che fra l’altro potrebbe anche stare nella top 10, visto il gran lavoro con i Real Live), ha un bagaglio di conoscenze tali da rielaborare il “furto”. Ben diverso il caso di Eminem: se fischietta una melodia a Louis Resto, e questi gli fa un beat (modus operandi di Dre, che pero’ sa quel che fa), quanto la riuscita del pezzo e’ merito del “produttore” e quanto di Resto?
    Per il resto (scusate il gioco di parole), credo che la discussione sia aperta, e non abbia avuto toni maleducati o “caldi”. Quindi va benissimo, per me.
    Kanye e’ un ottimo artista, solo che per entrare nella top 10 ha troppe “macchie”, a mio parere. E visto che nei commenti contano i pareri personali, mi pare che questo sia il gioco e ci stia. Altri la pensano in maniera diversa e difendono le proprie opinioni.
    Spero che nessuno abbia rilevato maleducazione da parte mia perche’ non voleva essere il caso.
    Semmai, ci puo’ essere stato un fraintendimento sui toni (ma non da parte mia). Non e’ una guerra, e’ l’equivalente di una discussione al bar. Magari si alza la voce, ma senza astio. Vero, ilmago? Io l’ho interpretata cosi’…

    Per quanto riguarda “la storia” e chi ricordera’ chi, quello e’ un discorso che lascia il tempo che trova. E poi, l’atteggiamento e’ schizofrenico. Alcuni dicono che nessuno si ricordera’ di Cormega (che gode di grande rispetto, giustamente, da parte della critica), un artista da “conoisseur”, altri dicono che nessuno si ricordera’ della G-Unit ma solo dei classici “da conoisseur”. Mettiamoci d’accordo…
    Del resto, chi non ascolta hip hop non sa neanche chi sia Rakim o Big Daddy Kane, i due piu’ grandi.

    Suggerimenti per la top 10 drum breaks:
    sicuramente apache, amen brothers, tramp, big beat, e mardi gras…

    bye

  42. joppa says:

    nessun fraintendimento sui toni, discussione in amicizia ovviamente.

    io e marti volevamo solo dire che di sicuro la buona soul music tra 100 anni sarà ancora ricordata.

    in sostanza cormega 100 commenti e otis redding zero suona in effetti un po’ strano, vista la differenza di importanza storica tra le due figure.

    una eventuale discussione su quali gruppi hip hop saranno ricordati è altra cosa, si ricade di nuovo nei gusti personali. ma è x l’appunto un discorso senza molto valore…

  43. djmp45 says:

    marty i just agree with you !no disrespect for the stax post(i think is far better than mine…which i thought about it as a kind of joke when i wrote it…but obviously get a lot of attention since everybody have their own favourite and want their opinion to be heard..i think as well that is better to talk about REAL music like stax than the latest “urban” crap) anyway i should get internet at home..i cant do anything at work!
    there’s a lot of bad music from the 90′s as well(most of the second album stuff like the second nas, the second showbiz & a.g…people who made a first five mics classic and then the just lost it!…or like bootcamp and wutang stuff…first round of albums all classic stuff and second one all crap)
    antonio: i was sarcastic, i’m a little bit conservative when it comes to hip hop(joppa defenitely know about it!) and to me it just stopped in the 90′s, because that’s when i was a lot in to it, even if now i’ll got out and buy cymande or roy ayers, and not the latest rap album.

  44. Antonio says:

    OK, no trouble.
    DJmp45: I don’t want to start anything here, but I don’t agree with you on Nas’ second album. It’s really good, sometimes it might show some weaker moments, but I think if you listen to it now you would realise how far ahead of its time it was…
    Sometimes we fans want the artist to be pigeonholed in doing the same record again and again. It did not happen with Nas, it didn’t happen with the Wu, it did not happen with BCC (because they lost the Beatminerz). But those albums are still good (maybe not the BCC…). It’s life. I think the best year in hip hop history was 1987, but this did not prevent me to buy some classics that came out later, and classic from end of the ’90-2000. Non Phixion, Quasimoto, Can Ox, Black Star, Fishscale, and so on.
    There is this thing about how hip hop stopped to be good at some point, but I don’t believe it. There is a lot of good hip hop out there. Maybe not the best sellers (with some notable exceptions), but there are definitely a lot of cats are doing their thing…
    As for Otis Redding, I don’t have anyhting interesting to say about him, while I have stuff to tell about Cormega, sorry.
    We all are into obscure breaks and records, Cormega is just another one of the obscure cats we dig!

  45. ilmago says:

    AHAH Ovviamente non intendevo risultare saccente, spero di non esserlo stato. Sono un tipo Peace and Love!
    Marti non mi posso scaricare il live perche mi connetto col cellulare… Joppa me lo passera’ di sicuro quando torno Bergamo.
    E cmq non credo che il valore di un topic si misuri dal numero di commenti!
    Antonio, mi fa piacere discutere di Kanye perche’ e’ a mio parere il miglior artista black sulla piazza al momento, sono sicuro delle cose che ho scritto, altrimenti non le avrei scritte.
    Ad esempio gli interventi in Chronic 2001 sono descritti anche nell’outro del primo album di kanye, oltre che in altre interviste.
    Per quanto riguarda Cormega, ne sono altrettanto certo in quanto non credo The Source si metta nel bel mezzo di una beef a scrivere cose false. Infine mi risulta strano cio’ che hai scritto riguardo a Jesus Walks, in quanto Kanye e rhymefest sono attualmente amici e hanno pubblicato recentemente un pezzo intitolato “I ain’t written that” in cui ironicamente ognuno dei 2 canta la strofa dell’altro, per ironizzare appunto su tutti i rumors dei numerosi playahaters al mondo…

    In ogni caso ripeto cio’ che sta al centro del mio discorso e che ho gia’ scritto:
    -I think is important that an artist has got his own style and his own contents, and brings something original to the game. And Kanye definitely did.-

    d’accordissimo con Joppa sullo spessore degli artisti, che distingue i tormentoni estivi dai capolavori.

    Antonio sono d’accordo con te, e non con Marti e Prea, per quanto riguarda L’ hip hop dopo il 2000, anche se gli artisti che citi non mi piacciono proprio. Ma i gusti sono gusti!
    L’hip hop dopo il 2000 e’ diverso da quello degli anni d’oro, ma se non ascoltate gli album che escono non potete certo giudicare.
    E’ semplicemente ridicolo pensare che improvvisamente dopo il 2000 nessun artista di talento abbia piu’ pubblicato album.
    Forse accade piu’ raramente, ma accade eccome.

    Antonio sono d’accordo su Cormega, uno degli MC piu’ sottovalutati (dal grande pubblico).

    e Marti lasciaci fare le nostre discussioni da bar altrimenti boikottiamo il forum con la k.

  46. Antonio says:

    Per me non c’e’ problema. Kanye e’ bravissimo ma non mi piace, sono piu’ per Just Blaze…
    Per tutti i discorsi di fondo sullo spessore sono d’accordo, ed alla fine si discuteva di tanti artisti con la A maiuscola. Di fondo nessuno di quelli su cui si e’ discusso sono frilli, pero’ ognuno la pensa in maniera diversa e va bene cosi’.
    Io penso che ci vuole tempo per metabolizzare i “classici”. Faccio solo un nome: Dilla. C’e’ voluta la sua morte perche’ alcuni capissero che si trattava di uno dei piu’ grandi di tutti i tempi…

  47. Antonio says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West_production_discography
    Qui di Dre non ne parlano. Sei sicuro di non aver capito male?

  48. ilmago says:

    Mah, io l’ho sentito in una sua intervista in uno degli Smack DVD, e credo di non sbagliarmi perche’ come avrai inteso sono abbastanza fanatico dell’artista in questione dunque ascolto cio’ che dice sempre con le orecchie rizzate :) , forse non e’ citata perche’ appunto si tratta di ghostproduction, ovvero collaborazione non ufficialmente riconosciuta. Ad esempio non sono citate neanche le collaborazioni con gli Hitman di puff Daddy e D-Dot, avvenute ben prima del 2000. In ogni caso e’ anche possibile che io mi sbagli, per carita’!

  49. Marty says:

    Non ho mai detto che non esiste nulla dopo il 2000. Non sono cosi radicale. Però ogni anno conto massimo 3 belle canzoni. Negli anni d’oro contavo 30 album. Non ditelo a nessuno, ne va della mia reputazione eheh, ma sono un fan di hate it or love it di Game e 50. Capolavoro. Però è indubbio che il livello è crollato.

  50. ilmago says:

    Stavo giusto smanettando ieri con Hate it or Love it e Rubber Band dei Trammps, 2 pezzoni. Ma non so se e’ in tema col blog, dimmi tu!

    ci starebbe una rubrica “90′s style songs from 2k artists”
    oppure “good songs from not so good artists…” ;) ??

  51. Marty says:

    Guarda che sei libero di mettere quello che vuoi, davvero. Non sono proprio il tipo che si fa seghe mentali sui ’90, il 2000 o i ’70.

    Do your thing man. Il blog si chiama musicselections quindi tutto ciò che ci garba è ben accetto.

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