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‘A Milie’ is a sort of dubstep, am I wrong?
No it isn’t.
Dubstep is NOT hip hop, it is something different. It is much heavier than hip hop.
Dubstep compared to hip hop is like when Public Enemy took James Brown tunes and made their bangin beats out of it.
They created a new sound, with much heavier drums and basslines. Dubstep is like that, a logical progression as he says.
Hank has got a point. But if you listen to the Def Jux vintage sound, you don’t need to look for “the next hip hop”. The “heavy heavy onster sound” is already here.
I really concur on the bit about “alternative vibes”. I mean, after P Diddy, a lot of producers are only looking for bubblegum samples and commercial stuff.
ahah ma non ci credo, no ma seriamente, ma ce la fai a scrivere 2 righe senza parlare male di qualcuno di successo?
non capisco se scherzi.
Hip Hop is dead (10 years ago), long live Dubstep!
Hip Hop was more a ‘live’ revolution in music, with the freestyle, the dance, the djing… Dubstep seems to me more like a ‘studio’ thing.
I am not hating… The code9 mix is dope.
Sooner or later Joppa will bring me to a dubstep djset, so I will maybe understand more that kind of music, I think it’s a kind of music that needs many megawatts to be understood properly.
How are the Torino dubstep events?
They are cool!
Benga is coming over in November, you should come with Joppa!
Mcfly – only thing to say to you pentaco
Blam Blam Motherfucka!
Ok I will webmaster
why wordpress change my avatar every comment?
I want the people to see my dope Obama AF1!
Mago, ma le leggi le cose che scrivo o devi solo indignarti a priori?
Non stavo parlando male di nessuno. Ho detto che DOPO Diddy si cercano solo campioni commerciali (merdosi). Secondo te e’ un giudizio sull’opera di Diddy?
Se scrivo che dopo Jimi Hendrix tutti i chitarristi volevano solo suonare male la chitarra coi denti, sto dissando Hendrix?
Dopodiche’ non chiedermi giudizi su Diddy altrimenti ti tocca indignarti again…
The BPM of a typical dubstep track is either slower or faster than a typical hip hop song. Add to that, dubstep generally lacks a lot of key components of a true “pop” song. I would say hip hop is essentially a “pop” style of music, meaning it has a strong melodic tendencies and a conventional chorus/verse vocal structure.
The main thing holding dubstep back is the lack of catchiness, melody, song structure… and I haven’t really heard any compelling dubstep vocals.
That said, I think dubstep will help reinvigorate hip hop. I think bustep will make hip hop stronger, rather than dubstep somehow supplanting or overtaking hip hop. The bottom line is that hip hop has a fairly particular BPM. Dubstep is either too slow or too fast to allow for a flexible rap canvas.
oh man… i invented a new genre… “bustep”
mmm..not sure about this, cause hip hop range from 72 bpm to 140 if you consider miami bass as part of hip hop, plus if you take grime for example is basically dubstep with more hi hats and rapping on it…i think dubstep is in the same vein as d&b, uk garage, breakbeat, etc: they are all uk music and lots of times they just take hip hop samples and they rework it in their own way.
that said ,i can say it’s a very innovative music , but not my cup of tea.
The vast majority of hip hop is around 90 to 100 bpm. Most dubstep is above or below that.
Notice how, when guys rap over dubstep, it’s usually really fast, and it essentially a jungle-style vocal (even when the beat is around 70bpm). That’s because 70bpm x 2 = 140bpm, which is in the range of jungle.
Now, I like dubstep… A LOT, but it clearly has limitations. Yes, all these styles are related… and it’s clear that most of these styles lack the “pop” potential of hip hop.
As I see it, dubstep has great potential to influence hip hop, but it’s just too slow (or fast) to ever make pop headway.
grime?… well, yes I guess it is more like hip hop. Too bad it sounds like garbage most of the time.
grime?… well, yes I guess it is more like hip hop. Too bad it sounds like garbage most of the time.
Eric, I agree about almost everything you say but remeber that when hip hop came out some crictics said the exact same things. They said it could never reach the success of funk, because it lacked some components.
I think it is a mistake trying to compare it to hip hop. It is a new sound, it’s different! It is not supposed to imitate hip hop or having the same “pop” components.
Besides that, I’m not saying dubstep is going to have the same planetary success as hip hop. Maybe in five years it will sound old and we’ll all be into something else.
But the point is: right now it is a new revolutionary way of making music, different from everything else, and it sounds good! This is why we compare it to hip hop in the 80′s, not for its sound.
“Notice how, when guys rap over dubstep, it’s usually really fast, and it essentially a jungle-style vocal (even when the beat is around 70bpm). That’s because 70bpm x 2 = 140bpm, which is in the range of jungle.”
That is a thing I like very much when done properly.
Switchin flow by doublin speed.
Good down south rappers do that since the 90′s.
even miami bass use to take really slow samples as art of noise “Moments In Love” and put 140 bpm electro style beat under it….
for the record, i am a big fan of dubstep. i find it much more listenable than jungle. it has lots of dub elements for my reggae side. and it inspires me on the production tip. it’s good work music.
that said, i still think most dubstep tunes don’t have much of a shelf life (Loefah being an exception).
i think a little more “song” structure would elevate dubstep to the next level. and i’m not just criticizing… i’m a producer whose trying to learn the craft.
Dubstep is Trip-Hop without vocals.
[...] with a lot of productions by himself, a couple of dubstep tunes blended in (further proof that dubstep is the shit right now!), and even some smoother and soulful moments. The first part is heavier, the second more melodic. [...]
well i didn’t read every post, but eric mate u make me laugh with all this “pop” potential bullshit (and the inverted commas too). Do you know what pop music is? Popular Music – music that people like. keeping this in mind understand that any genre can become pop if it becomes the “in” thing. It just so happens that todays marketing seems to be aimed mainly at 14 year olds so we end up with alot of shit as pop. Also i dont understand how someone who actually knows what they are talking about informs you (with references) that hip-hop tempos can vary widely, and then you just come back with “The vast majority of hip hop is around 90 to 100 bpm. Most dubstep is above or below that. ” without any proof whatsoever. Plus the point isn’t how commercially succesful the music becomes. It about what it expresses and how many people relate to that, and with good management this should flourish into commercial viability. The whole reason there is so much shit music atm is cos people are thinking from the commercial side in the beginning. as you say – yes dubstep can be boring, but if you’re in the right mood thats exactly what you need (as is my case alot of the time haha) and it is a good contrast to the ultra fast jungle and drum n bass, even tho the metre works fairly similarly. I think somethign you have failed to consider is that dubstep will evolve and the elements u mentioned (structure and melodic development) will become stronger and/or change. 100 years from now it will still exist, but probably in an unrecogniseable form. It has already made a large influence on the music world which cannot be reversed, and this is evident as many artists are now making dubstep or dubstep tinged tracks (e.g. chase n status). the same goes for electro (e.g. noisia). I think that soon the genre borders will become very faint and people will realise there are only two kinds of music – good music and bad music, and basically that comes down to what you personally like. me, ill listen to nearly anything – jungle, country, classical, dubstep, metal, house, psytrance, hip hop. i don’t go by genres i go by what i like and what i don’t.
who gives a fuck about genres, just listen to what you think sounds good. you all sound like girls
[...] out disco while UK’s response is Artwork’s Red, one of the bass-wobbling tracks that originated dubstep from UK Garage back in the early 2000s. France then replies with one of the latest Busy P [...]
never heard of dubstep before but hank shocklee is the man so i guess ill have to check it..
[...] as Hank Shocklee says, I’m really big on Dubstep right now. Do you want to taste some? Well, the Dubstep Forum has a really good Mix Section with all the [...]
Well its funny that question should be brought up,
Is Dubstep the next hip hop?
My answer is Yes, it is becoming the next hip hop with projects that marry the dubstep beats to rhymes and harmonies.
Check out DUBRAP as an example of this proof that Dubstep is increasingly influencing ‘hip hop’ or as the question puts it “the next hip hop”.
DOWNLOAD DUBRAP HERE:
“The vast majority of hip hop is around 90 to 100 bpm. Most dubstep is above or below that. ”
dubstep ranges between 130-150 bpm, most of the tracks are 140bpm
[...] important for us having the proof that we were right: dubstep is proper future music and it’s changing the course of electronic music [...]
Check out this dude!!
He’s banging, performed alongside chart-toppers like Tinchy Stryder and Chpimunk.
He’s the Future!!
I appreciate your suggestion, but this guy sounds totally crap to me.
“Rhythm is a dancer” by SNAP is the worst memory of the late 80s I have, but they sound like Prince compared to him:
not to mention the gay dancer in the video.
seriously, I think you are in the wrong blog.
“Notice how, when guys rap over dubstep, it’s usually really fast, and it essentially a jungle-style vocal (even when the beat is around 70bpm).
70bpm x 2 = 140bpm, which is in the range of jungle.”
[bitching] the tempo range of jungle/drumnbass is actually around 170-180 bpm. nu skool breaks tracks often have a tempo of 140 [/bitching]
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